Wednesday, September 15, 2010

Invasion of culture: Indian psychology and English language

       There is a large class of people in India, who tend to speak few words or sentences especially in English. We will try to identify those words and also try to find out the reason behind it.

       Let us look closely into the matter and consider a scenario where someone is speaking in Hindi in front of a formal type aggregation (of Hindi speaking people who also know English). He suddenly finds himself in a situation where he needs to utter some explicit words (related to carnal desire). In most of the cases that person will prefer to use English to express his feelings. Why is so?

       You can find so many examples like these. Also, there are also few words which aren’t in explicit words category and are frequently substituted for their Hindi counterparts. We will discuss them later in this series. We will also discuss about what can prevent this.

       So, coming to the above example, why people tend to use English version of those words? Why aren’t they comfortable in their Hindi versions? Is it true that in our society, we are not habitual of talking about these terms and we don’t feel comfortable in uttering them? So we either talk around them or use English to lessen our guilt, shame etc. I think that this is because of our society and culture where very rarely people talk about these things openly, which makes us little uncomfortable, when we need to talk about them. Also most of the common Hindi terms for these words are either slang or now have become part of ancient Hindi and only have places in text books and sophisticated literature. When the common man needs to express such feelings, he goes for English version and frees himself from guilt. Also, in contrast with this, we always find some words in English which are very frequently used in western society. We influenced by western culture, even feel light and casual while speaking these words in English. Also in the current scenario we have such a big rift in terms of education. This is promoting the feeling that English is the language of elite and if we try to use more and more words of English in our sentences we are being more and more sophisticated.

       So, this difference between societies is promoting the current hybrid Hinglish culture where we can pick up few words of English words or say that sentence in English when we are not comfortable of expressing our feeling in Hindi. This somehow also promotes the tendency to adopt English as primary language.   We are not realizing that modern ideas and culture could be best imbibed by integrating them into Indian culture, not by aping them.

      Since you are aware of this too, the topic is open for discussion. You are welcome to have your comments on it.

19 comments:

Manish Kumar said...

The World Is Flat

the world has become a global village thanx 2 d IT/telecom revololution, which is still going on. So gud ideas vil spread like fire n it vil search any fuel that is available English or Hindi.

There sud b free flow of gud ideas btwn societies/countries. for that we need 1 universal primary language 4 that exchange to happen. its easy 4 d English 2 become d universal language, so y nt accept it. why 2 fight that hindi is our n english is their. Let us learn both ......both languages have rich literature. they have learned hindi too 2 access our literature like kamsutra n ved.

I like d idea of one night stand n sex education n i wanna talk abt it.......if i or d listener is nt comfortable in hindi then let us talk in english. it vil b better than to not discuss it or 2 wait 4 it to b integrated in to indian culture.

For modern ideas n culture to b integrated in indian culture ppl sud first talk.....in any language let it b english. once ppl start talking, modern ideas vil b intergrated in to indian culture n after that they vil talk abt such things in local language too.

redemption ain't dat easy said...

first of all... what do you mean by Indian culture. Those mean practices like sati and tantrik pooja that are still being practised in some parts of our country.

dude. It is very easy to sit back and take notice. Be the change u want the world to be.

And how do you actually conclude that some thing is being imbibed in Indian culture. Is there any newsflash??? xxxxxxxxxx thing has been imbibed into Indian culture.

english is the universal language. and instead of praising it, and the countryMEN who went the distance to make it happen. remember. NO country is perfect. Usko perfect banana padta hai.

The main idea behind it is that people use english frequently because to say anything in english is very easy. To say i love u... is much easier than mein tumse pyar karta hun.
:)

and dude... there are many people in this country(including me) who still find it very difficult to fill a form which is written in COMPLICATED HINDI.
:)

it is not about english culture... it is about taking the best out of every culture and using it to mould yourself so that you feel comfortable or satisfied...or dunno what.... you may even get a better orgasm if you watch an english porn....(and do :) rather than watching a hindi porn...

well... lots of crap i wrote... but dude.... accept it... english is not the language of elite.... it is the language of everything around the world.... you need to be well versed in this language so that you can do the things needed for your betterment....

and i know tum kin logon ki bat kar rae...
jaise kam karne wali kehti hai..."roz daily itna kaam karna padta hai"
:)

and dude... our countryMEN who go to UN.... they always give their speech in hindi... no matter samne kaun baitha hai....
:)

told you before also... please specify hte definition of "we" it confuses... countryMEN like us...
:)

@majnu bhai... one night stand... sex education... hmm ... sahi hai bhai...
chahte to hum bhi hein one night stand.. lekin wo kahawat hai na"is raat ki subah nahi"
:)
dar lagta hai isliye...
:)
it was already in indian culture... study mahabharat.. you will get to know terms like VAASNA stuff.... itni dasiyan kyun rehti thi maharaja and shezadon k pass... ye prashna aaj bhi khae ja raha mujhe...
:)

redemption ain't dat easy said...

modern ideas and culture.. ye hota kya hai bhai...

maybe you will not understand this ... or you dont want to... i dunno.. but when things happen our way... we dont see anything wrong... i always condemned in-house parties... feeling it is bad that girls and boys drink together and do VAASNA stuff.. but wo jo skul frnd tha na
:)

his bada bhai k frns are in event management... went to one of the parties... and even though was sittng like a fool... did liked the idea of in-house parties.. is it modern culture????

what about raja log organising parties with apsaras and madirapaan....and having booze with apsaras on their JANGHAS???

accept it dude... got to one of these parties and then you will never talk about it being modern culture... trust me...

we have better issues to talk about... one that i can think of it is...." the money being spent on commonwealth games can be put to much better use like educating children and all"
good going countryMAN.. keep it up...
:)

Manish Kumar said...

"it is about taking the best out of every culture and using it to mould yourself so that you feel comfortable or satisfied."

this line frm sunny is d perfect concluding line 4 dis topic. yo baby yo

X said...

@Majnu Sir
Here I am not saying against English language. I am just discussing why people aren't comfortable in talking in Hindi when they can. Why do they feel comfortable in using those very same words in English. What are the reasons and psychology behind it. Why are we constantly forgetting what we were.

Also integration of modern ideas in Indian culture is not like as if we have to wait for someone, who will integrate and tell us and only then we will know. We all very well know what is good and bad in each culture whether it be morally, socially, scientifically or whatever. We can easily understand that what is required to take and integrate to our own culture from the foreign one without deforming it.

When you say that they(actually very few people like Max Müller, William Jones etc.) have learned Sanskrit to get access to our ancient literatures. Then you must have felt that whenever you go to a bookshop to buy ancient literature, you will get the books transliterated by them.

So, there is difference between learning and following(while forgetting our own). The problem is very reasonably created words of our language are now not supposed to be used. If you speak them nobody will understand them. This point, We will discuss in next posts.

There is more to discuss on this topic. will come in next posts.

X said...

For the first few paras of yours..... Since you also know that, there are so many bad things in each and every culture of world being continued from the past. So is "Sati pratha", "Bal vivah", "Bali" etc. But these were not always there. Over the time, things changed and new things introduced. These were nonexistent in Vedic era. Sati pratha and Bal Vivah started, when the invaders around 1100 AD from Central Asia used to loot the country and capture the girls and wives of the kingdoms. When women were no longer safe. And women in our culture were very much respected. Since, such a primitive thing couldn't be avoided, so conteporary people found their own solution in these prathas. But later on, when things were in control, people forgot the reasons and took it as practice. Later. it was also driven by human selfishness and the groups such as pandits which felt importance of being a lawgiver.
About tantrik pooja, these kind of things are in every part of the world. Haven't you seen so many Hollywood movies on the same. I think number of Hindi movies are very much less than English movies on the same topic.Albeit, Hindi film industry production in greater in quantity and Western culture is considered to be so modern. And, you also know that the movies also reflect the nature of the society. You must have heard of the ruthless dictatorship of the Church, so many ancients scientists burnt, hanged and large number of women tried/murdered as witches. And in every society, education/awareness/knowledge has removed these bad practices.

X said...

And by being imbibed, I mean that these new ideas need to be absorbed without detereorating the essential nature,identity or structure of the culture in subject if you don't consider it as evil. I was just against the pravailing trend in which people are inside ashamed of ourselves. Why is it in fashion to give order in English, if both understands Hindi. Why is shit so much used and their Hindi counterparts so despised. Why is sex/sexy so much in vogue while people feel ashamed in using their Hindi replacemements.
We will further discuss about the universal feature of English. And since you also agree that saying "I love you" is easier in English. But, here, the question is, why?I am just discussing why and what this. Why suddenly your mother tougue has become difficult and a foreign language is so easy. Albei, we aren't better in English than we are in our mother tongue. What happened that now people find it difficult to fill forms in Hindi. Let's save it for next time. You must agree that preference of English(you may even like to consider French, Spanish, Russian, German) porn has nothing to do about the language used in it.
You've said a good thing that you must learn English to do things for your betterments. But, I am not writing against learning/speaking or English. I am discussing the psychology behind it. When I say that English is sonsiderd as language of elite. I am saying this because most of the people who are considered elite prefer to speak English every time even if they know their mother tongue.This is what promotes the above convention.

redemption ain't dat easy said...

aahaaann...
that leone babe... was not english.. u got me here..
:)

that is what i wanted to say.... it is not about being ashamed of speaking in Hindi..
our democratic nannies still use hindi....

when we in kindergarden(assuming your ganv ka school had one)... we could easily remember the poems in hindi... but what we found difficult was that learning poems in english....

in every bank exams... u will find english as a test... why... do these banks forgot hindi... no... there is always a separe section of hindi translation of papers of major entrance exams... like jee, aieee..

but havent u noticed.. that when peole from hindi back ground come to the colleges.. of elite people
:)

they find it difficult to comprehend what is being written in english in the text books...

why it happens...

should they regret that they studied in their mother tongue...

every major software is being build in english...

u will not find a hindi version of any software
why??

because the people use them are elite...???

no... because the major portion of populace that uses them is well versed in english...


and about max muller and other dude that you told...

do you know why they learned sanskrit...

for the same reason ... albeit they didnt told me...
:)
but narcoMAN hallucinated...
:)
they learned this sanskrit language because they knew that our culture has lots of to offer.... told you na bhai... it is not about imbibing from a culture.... it is about taking the best out of every culture and using it to mould yourself so that you feel comfortable or satisfied....

and if you are so concerned of people following WESTERN CULTURE... then... bhai.... discs and daru parties were also in our vedas.... by the name of sura and sundari and nritya...
:)

correct me if i am wrong...

lovinig it... please give your views on it... and if possible... do think of something else to discuss....

it helps....

thanks a ton.....

please correct me whaere i am wrong and give your points... and post some other mangoMAN questions too....

X said...

@ Everyone..

There is one thing more. You all must be thinking that why being so nostalgic about our culture. Why should take such careful steps before copying some other. I would like to share a video. Despite of the fact that this video doesn't have anything to do with this. And also I am not a fanatic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI-iQQGj9Ng&feature=player_embedded

redemption ain't dat easy said...

and about people following it... some culture...

then you must also know that the nazi swastik is considered as a holy symbol in our culture...

but in naziMAN's culture.. it was the symbol of their ............ he he...

i still feel that it is to take the best out of every culture and using it to mould yourself so that u feel comfortable or satisfied... naziMEN did... what they felt satisfied in doing... and took the holy swastik from hinduMAN culture...

correct me if i am wrong

redemption ain't dat easy said...

@ Everyone..

There is one thing more. You all must be thinking that why being so nostalgic about our culture. Why should take such careful steps before copying some other. I would like to share a video. Despite of the fact that this video doesn't have anything to do with this. And also I am not a fanatic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI-iQQGj9Ng&feature=player_embedded



ma ki ch@t pakistan ki...

i will give you a link abhi...

usko dekhna...

the countryMAN is trying his best to take out pakistanis..

here is the link...
http://www.defence.pk/forums/

and ye to dekhna... indiaMAN knows everything about pakistanMAN
http://forum.pakistanidefence.com/index.php?showforum=2

you really think indiaMAN will spare pakistanMAN for bombing india.. na na na..

X said...

@ Sunny
Whatever you said,about job, software etc. I have those things in mind, which we will discuss after some posts and will even try to think about feasible hypothetical :)solutions. Now a days thinking of some other topic so that people don't feel monotonous. Also, this post was just addressing a phenomenon which ultimately is related to a big phenomenon "Invasion of Culture". And this big thing is to be continued later and will also be built upon the comments made in posts related to it. Just clearing up some things..

1. Imbibing the new ideas means the same which you understand. But this is not happening.

2. I was not saying that having a place where someone can dance is not bad and also it is not bad to if someone wants booze. And yes, it was in existence previously. And hell yeah, it is good esp. booze. I am just in opposition of human psychology behind these things, in which they are convinced that whatever west is doing or has been doing, it is something we should also do. And it is how we will be modern.

3. See, this video was also suggesting that how people develop their thinking over the time, and why we should not forget who we are/were. Cultural invasion also happens when other Culture is technologically leading.

4. Also, it is not that they are not curious about learning and absorbing in their own. Yoga/ Ayurveda is gaining recognition in western cultures. I see so many Hollywood movies using a word "karma" with slightly different meaning.

X said...

@Thank you...
and if you can, please suggest some topics on which I can write something. I am also trying to add some humor and make these things less boring.

redemption ain't dat easy said...

1.i always think of why is it that we are being termed as upMAN by karnatakaMAN... what bugs me is that should i destroy every idli wada shop in up.... to avenge myself... or what to do... why it hapens... indiaMAN not feelin good..


2. second thing that i am being going through is is it okay to do anyhting that one pleases... like sex... struggling a lot with moral issues... narcoMAN is not helping.... or i dont understand that if i feel bogged down by the fact that girls are trying to barge in the territory that was once the forte of MEN.. like paid sex... or casual sex... many issues.. like is it the male ego that gets hurt if a girl pays you to have sex... or is it my bechara zameer... that fears....


3. and last but not hte least.... what i think to be the most important question is that it is okay to do something knowing the fact that you wont get caught.... does it depends on men ... or is it an attribute of mangoMEN...

Unknown said...

well we accept it or not english is unanimous language around us ,willingly or unwillingly we hv to use it in our conversation.
whether it is school,college,office its required everywhere just because its an era of globalisation
Being in south India I can undoubtedly say dat it(english) helped alot ....so think abt outside world.....

if u r talking abt why ppl use english replacement while speaking in hindi ,then there cud b two possible reasons

1. To give emphasise on that particular thing.
2. To avoid its real effect (especially in case of slangs)

As far as Hindi is concern we really don't know proper hindi,if someone starts talking in proper hindi it it wud b impossible 4 ur to decipher it out........

Culture is something which is really not dependent on language since it started wid symbolic language, then devnagiri,sanskrit ,then tatsam, then tadbhav,then hindi,now hinglish.........change signifies liveliness so accept change.....irrespective of change of languages so , we can say PHIR BHI DIL HAI HINDUSTANI...
our core qualities r still intacted.........

redemption ain't dat easy said...

came across something real weird today...

was on my way to bangalore railway station... and there was bohat badi line on the ticket counter...

and there are three machines that dispense paltform tickets... sari kharab thi...

and i saw platform ticket peddlers... who were selling a platform ticket for 10 rs...

so instead of buying platform ticket from them... countryMAN decides to stick to his ethics... and told the tc that it is very big line... and i cant take the ticket... tcMAN said ok...

when went inside and came back....
i was asked for a platform ticket and that tcMAN was nowhere to be seen... countryMAN did his best to explain and was incredulous to know that it was a racket of tcMEN ... and dunno who all are involved in it... got threats of bein kept in prison for the night and 3 months sashram karavaas

countryMAN changed to narcoMAN and then sat there...

and then when sees that nothing can be done... he gives up...

narcoMAN and foadMAN laughed at him... countryMAN shelled out 300 bucks....

so why is it so... that we are being taken advantage of being of phoren state... y phorenstateMEN dont realise that we are also a part of this country... they scared countryMAN by talkin amongst themselves in kannada...

why is it so...????

redemption ain't dat easy said...

i need some inspiration and/or motivation.... tried lance armstrong, rocky balboa..., chris garner, erin brockovich, john cena,apj kalam, ..

none of them seem to helping foadMAN and narcoMAN....

X said...

These inspirations won't help until you break the ice and start doing something.Until you stop giving narcoMan or foadMAN any importance. Because these alter egos can't be inspired. Because they are product of negative inspirations and are distractions itself. When you only think of your own ego then you remember these inspirations and they will help you by increasing your will power. And in the end it your own ego which can be inspired, so don't give much time in inspiring alter egos. Inspire yourself. They are end products with lowest energy. You are your inspirations are active reagents.

redemption ain't dat easy said...

thanks a ton...

but i dont want to be sunny again...

narcoMAN and foadMAN along with countryMAN enjoy a lot....
but u said very well...

well...
i changed today...
for you...
:)
hope when we see each other... u can spot out the differences....

and i am very angry with u...
u didnt wished me bday...
but newaz.
i will take a pass...

changed to foadMAN and narcoMAN because wanted to enjoi the stoicness.... have seen u enjoyin it...
:)

newaz...

what was troubling countryMAN lately is the fact that is a two party system like in U.S. is superior or better... or dunno what.... as compared to our democracy...
because every party works for short term goals of theirs.... in our democracy.... myriads of parties work for plethora of differnt communities....
there are always power brokers... but fewer power brokers in political system of U.S. is better or bohat sare chote chote bhai log wale power brokers in our country are better...

time mile to i would like you to answer this dillems.. and please dont quote any historical pieces of infromation...
m working on current affairs
:)